I’d be sure to keep an eagle eye out for anything that offended ME and I’d report the offense in WRITING.

I feel strangely proud of you. You go boy.

That is a tragic tale… Stupid political correctness. I am offended about her being offended about your shirt.

Maybe I am just “ultra-conservative,” but really, does a shirt like that really matter? I mean, how much more advertisement does alcohol need anyhow-everyone who wants to lose themself in it has already. Americans and non-Americans already love it, and those who don’t just let their protests fade into the background. It would be nice to hear a different take towards something that isn’t bad, but overused in our society bearing little to no good fruit.

This isn’t about advertisement, at least not directly. Yes, Guinness gets free advertising whenever I wear the shirt. But I don’t wear it to advertise Guinness, I wear it to declare my love of Guinness.
But maybe I’ve missed your point.

I am offended by your “Vices City” Shirt. I do not under stand why you feel the need to let people know that you advertise a city where people can drink, smoke, shoot up, and have a prostitute, many times in the same establishment.
Just because you own half the town because you bought it with your cocaine money doesn’t entitle you to flaunt it in my face at the water cooler.
Sure, maybe I’m curious about how much fun it would be to knock someone off their motorcycle and then ride it into a crowded park. Maybe I’d like to then unload a machine gun into the crowd. Even though I have those desires, and have come close to doing those things right here in Blacksburg, that doesn’t mean that I’m going to beat my co-workers over the head with some kind of tee shirt that avocates those actions.
Even that color of blue offends me. Just so you know, consider that “Vices City” shirt off limits too.

Looking at the shirt and judging Jeremiah to have a “medium” shirt, I can definitely assert that mine is bigger.
My guinness, that is.
BTW, I’m going to get rip roaring wasted when I get back and I’m going to do it on Jeremiah’s doorstep so he has no room to complain. Oh yeah, and I’m going to hork all over his dumb shirt.

My point was, that even if your intentions were innocent and completly undirected towards the product on the shirt, what is written and what is pictured there is worth a thousand words to individuals around you and just may send the wrong signal off to them. It would be even more confusing if they knew you to be a christian, but didn’t know you well, and read into the shirt that what society has been indulging in all along is ok-completly harmless. Everything is permissable, but not everything is beneficial. How beneficial is the shirt??

If that’s the case, that person should at least have the decency to come to me directly and relay their concerns. I wouldn’t have had as much of a problem with it. The way this person’s discomfiture was delivered was rather discourteous, IMHO. I’m an adult, they’re an adult–we should be able to have a conversation about it. This person apparently didn’t think so.
As to the shirt itself, I think people are too wound up about such things. Let’s all make a big deal about little things like t-shirt logos that advertise products that not everyone agrees with–it’s ridiculous.

Perhaps you believe that all the “little things” are ridiculous, but all these “little things” are the product of a larger problem that noone cares to address because after all, they are harmless “little things.” Christians are loosing thir saltiness in the world for the sake of self or sake of complaceny or sake of just plain not caring. It’s sad.

Tell me in Scripture where it’s wrong to wear product-advertisement t-shirts. Or drinking alcohol.

Like I said-everything, or most things, are permissible, but not everything is beneficial. I never said that scripture tells us not to use it or drink it-but it does give us guidelines on when and how it should be consumed, with the focous not on ourselves but on those around us. Scripture does not say alcohol is wrong, and I wasn’t using scripture to say it was, but the way our society often uses alcohol it often times is…because it’s overused and over-consumed to the point of drunkeness. Your t-shirt seems to say the larger the size of a Guniess the better. If you do some deep research into the scriptural context of alcohol use, you will find that the amount of alcohol contained in the drink was miniscul compared to many offered today-it was used often to replace drinking water at a time when purification systems were none-existant and mostly more for those medicinal reasons. Many christians support alcohol use by referring to the wedding banquet that ran out of wine and the water Jesus turned into wine. I don’t dispute that, nor do I think it wrong, but again, I believe that it is misused because there is no comparison to the wine then and the wine (hard liqours) of today. Do some research yourself on it. I’m not promoting alcohol as bad or the drinking of it sinful-it just must be used with extreme discretion, especially in today’s context. Can you honestly say that most individuals today use alcohol in the biblical sense? And if they don’t, what do we communicate to them by wearing a shirt that says “size matters” with a direct reference towards a mug of Guniess?

Wow, I never thought there’d be a debate about this. I want in. I think that no one should make a fuss about this shirt. It is perfectly harmless, and anyone that thinks it remotely would cause a problem anywhere, is well, very sad indeed. Now, there are places in which this shirt would not be appropriate. A five star restaurant would be one that pops in my head. Perhaps certain church functions would be bad, or weddings, but geeze, it was at work, and I assume his workplace is fairly laid back in these matters. Unless someone complains. There was a post about losing saltiness. Yes, I can see that point, however, water that is too pure has no fish. We cannot lose our ability to influence the world by removing ourselves and condemning the thing. Who are we but poor lost sheep ourselves? And may I say, this anonymity stuff is beginning to bother me. Anyone that hides behind anonymity and talks mad smack is either a coward, a coward, or in protective services. Who are you, no name person? I’ve seen your posts everywhere, and you seem to take hard line stances on everything. And also, I don’t konw if you two know each other, but you fight like a married couple. Might be something there, I don’t know.

Noel, I’ve left the name fields optional for a reason. That said, Anonymous left her name in one of the comments on the Marriage thread, and it said Kristy — ex fiance Kristy, perhaps?
Maybe that explains why we fight like a married couple. Though to me this isn’t fighting, it’s discussion. I appreciate Anonymous’ comments and though I may disagree sometimes, definitely respect his/her viewpoint.

And to answer your last post, Anon:
The t-shirt implies that more Guinness is better. I still fail to see how that is an endorsement of overconsumption of alcohol–you’re connecting quantity of product with overconsumption of that product, but it’s an ad hoc assumption you’re making there.
And if you’ve ever drunk Guinness, you’d know that a full pint is better than a half pint, and at times two pints is better than one. As a responsible drinker, I can say that without feeling like I’m endorsing Guinness as an alcoholic over-consumed product.
As to your biblical wine theories, while they may have merit (I certainly can’t vouch for them), I would warrant there’s probably a lot less evidence for your “their wine wasn’t as alcoholic as ours” idea as you might wish for there to be. Wine is wine by virtue of it’s origins, its production, its alcoholic content, and its flavours.
Not to mention that the very miracle where Jesus turned water into wine mentions that guests were amazed because they were tasting the best (ie, most alcoholic, best flavour, etc) wine last, which was usually not the case, as hosts liked to give out their best wine first so as to get their guests drunk fast so they wouldn’t notice they were tasting the cheap wine later on in the evening.
The Romans perfected (for that time) water purification systems (it’s one reason their infrastructure was so good), and by Jesus’ time the Romans ruled over Israel. I don’t buy the idea that their water was mostly bad.